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==================================================================== (C) 1993 by Atari Corporation, GEnie, and the Atari RoundTables. May be reprinted only with this notice intact. The Atari RoundTables on GEnie are the *official* information services of the Atari Corporation. To sign up for GEnie service, call (with modem in HALF DUPLEX) 800-638-8369. Upon connection, type HHH Wait for the U#= prompt. Type XJM11877,GENIE and hit RETURN. The system will now prompt you for your information. ==================================================================== ************ Topic 32 Sun Jun 03, 1990 G.GECZY1 at 16:52 EDT Sub: HyperLINK "Applications Generator" A topic to allow comments, suggestions and questions about our upcoming fancy new product called HyperLINK. Press Release in File# 15372. 200 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 1 Fri Jul 17, 1992 B.AEIN [B Man] at 00:31 EDT I also got Hyper used and would like to upgrade I'm at 1.52 I'm 015210150 previously Kevin Henderson What will I need to do to upgrade? Thanks Ben Aein Bman ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 2 Fri Jul 17, 1992 F.KOCH [Fred H. Koch] at 01:14 EDT Just wondered. If I purchase a used copy of HyperLINK, am I still eligible for the upgrades etc? I have seen several copies for sale lately. Thanks, Fred ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 3 Fri Jul 17, 1992 SFRT-ASST [Kene @ SFRT] at 01:56 EDT What are the chances of a HyperLINK Lite? ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 4 Fri Jul 17, 1992 C.COOK7 [Cliff] at 18:46 EDT Mark: Thanks for replying. Your solution, however, is precisely what I am trying to avoid. Because there may be more than one person in a family, I want to break out family data such as address and phone number into a separate data base. This will allow a single change to ensure that all members of the family are updated correctly and no one is missed. My minimum requirement is that I not enter the same information on more than one record (no redundant data). Hyperlink will let me store the information the way I need it; but not report on it. Guess I'll have to write a standalone report program or get a database package that will let me do joins. Cliff ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 5 Sat Jul 18, 1992 LYRE at 02:48 EDT Greetings! I also have version 1.52 (purchased today - new) and would like to know more about the new features. I have seen the message that says the new version of Hyperlink is v2.0; is the upgrade cost still $10? I am perfectly willing to get this information "second hand" from another user who has a newer version. After all, wouldn't want the staff to stop mailing people's upgrades to answer my questions. :) BTW, this seems like an excellent program from what I've been able to read of the manual so far. Lyre ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 6 Sat Jul 18, 1992 J.MOSES2 [moses] at 13:32 EDT Hi,guys! I'm a registered user but I've recently moved and may not get any upgrade notice via mail. My new address is: Jim Moses Rt. 2 , Box 2675 Melrose,FL. 32666 PLEASE send me any info re: upgrading to version 2 - I love this program and have been eagerly awaiting the upgrade release. Jim ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 7 Sun Jul 19, 1992 LYRE at 17:45 EDT I don't know what other modules or apllications that you have planned for the future, but I would *VERY* much like to see a kind of stripped down accessory version. I have somewhere between 100-150 email addresses that I have to keep handy. Aladdin's Adress Book feature is getting nearly impossible to deal with. If I could have something similiar to the Address.HAP as an ACC I would be immensely happy. For all intents and purposes, all that I am looking for is an open ended ACC program. Kind of an ACC version of the Hyperlink program. Access to a database and hypertext is sufficient for my needs. I do not need sound or atrwork. Basically what I would like to do is open the Hyper.ACC and see an index: Atari Companies Dragon's Gate MPGRT be able to click on one of the above and get another index: Atari Companies CodeHead Technologies JMG Software Migraph and after choosing the company getting one last index showing the people: Atari Companies JMG Software George Geczy JMG.SOFT David Thompson D.THOMPSON66 at this point I can now click on David's name and see whatever I have stored in the database. Now, it may seem this is rather round about, but let's face it - frequently we know/remember only the barest essentials of things. Whatever we use frequently, affects us personally, etc. Otherwise, information is placed into the brain's trashcan. An indexed organizational search system would make things alot easier to try and find information. Granted, a Search would do effectively the same thing. But that assumes that I (or any other user) will remember the information that the database is sorted on. Ahuh, right. I'll never find it. :) Lyre ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 8 Sun Jul 19, 1992 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 18:09 EDT I'll add my voice to Lyre's: it really would be COOL to have a desk accessory version of a run-only module. ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 9 Mon Jul 20, 1992 D.THOMPSON66 [David @ JMG] at 15:08 EDT Everybody... Sorry for the delay in responding to questions around here in the last month or two, but babies have this way of demanding all your waking hours, and most of your sleeping ones :-) MidiMike : To change a registration, just send us the original Disk One along with your complete address. That way we'll be able to delete the original purchaser and change everything to your name. Cliff : What Mark said... :-) As far as making applications "Stand Alone", we hope to have the Run-Only version of HyperLINK available for the Glendale show. For around $25 US someone will be able to purchase a version of HyperLINK that can run any HAP out there but will not be able to use either the Builder or the Report Generator so they will not be allowed to create or modify HAPs or existing Reports. Mark : Thanks for helping with the questions... -djt ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 10 Mon Jul 20, 1992 E.STUCKEY at 19:10 EDT David What is the current status of version 2.0 and the new manual. Thanks......Ed ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 11 Mon Jul 20, 1992 M.CHAPPEL [mark] at 22:46 EDT Cliff Sorry to here that, the solution wasn't what you needed, but I wouldn't give up yet. I find with HyperLink that there's almost always a way to do something. You may have to re-think the problem from a different angle though. Plus there's new features being added all the time that allow more flexibility. The report generator is still in it's early stages, I mentioned the same problem to George, about being able to join databases in a report, and I know he is working on it. We'll just have to be patient. Mark......................... ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 13 Mon Jul 27, 1992 D.THOMPSON66 [David @ JMG] at 00:14 EDT Ben... The only way we allow change of Registration is that a new owner send us the original diskettes along with a letter. Then we will modify our data base (eliminating the first owner) and all future mailings will go out to the new owner. Fred... Anyone who purchases a copy of HyperLINK before Version 2.0 is entitled to a free upgrade to that version (including the new manual). So if you see an older version in a store, you don't have to worry about being stuck with it. Kene... The chances of a HyperLINK Lite? What do you mean by Lite? There will be a Run Only version of HyperLINK made available in the Very Very Near Future and also we will be starting to license HyperLINK for those that have written Haps they wish to commercially market. Other than that... probably slim. Cliff... I have told George to catch up on the messages here to see if there is anything he would suggest. I had the same response as what Mark told you, but maybe George will be able to help further. Lyre... Who told you there was an upgrade charge of $10? The upgrades to 2.0 are FREE!!! Just get us your registration card ASAP! And if you liked the first manual (you're probably the only one), then you're going to love the new manual!!! As far as HyperLINK being a Desk Accessory ever... Not unless in future you can have Desk Accessory that are about 300K. Sorry... Jim... Your change of address has been noted, and just in time too! Dorothy... I myself would love it if HyperLINK could be a D.A. but under the current limitations for Accessories it is just not possible. Hmmmm, I'm having a random though (scary stuff) : D.A. --- Desk Accessories, D.A. --- D.A. Brumleve... So Atari named something after you! You should feel honored. -djt ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 14 Mon Jul 27, 1992 D.THOMPSON66 [David @ JMG] at 00:29 EDT Ed... Status of version 2 and the new manual. Well, I wasn't going to say anything this week because of how long Postage Services in various countries can take, but put it this way... "If you are a REGISTERED OWNER of HyperLINK and have been returning your 'UPGRADE' Disk conscientiously, if you have not received the upgrade to Version 2.0 (including the new manual) by the 14th of August, then please get in touch with us. I am hopeful that many of you will be receiving the upgrades by the end of THIS week..." But... I'm going on holidays from Aug 1-15th, so don't bother calling me next week :-) I am going to be making sure that all upgrades are mailed before I leave on vacation. When I get back, I'll be happy to track down missing, lost, etc. shipments. -djt ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 15 Mon Jul 27, 1992 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 02:59 EDT David, I'd feel honored even if Atari _didn't_ name stuff after me. Honor is just one of my things. ;-) ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 16 Mon Jul 27, 1992 K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van] at 07:33 EDT Did you notice that David spelled "honored" the American way? Was that a typo? Maybe we won't have to use Dr. Bob's American-Canadian conversion table to read the manual in v. 2.0.<G> Ken Van Dellen d8^) ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 17 Mon Jul 27, 1992 LYRE at 20:57 EDT David, I realized I goofed after the message was posted. :) I bought a couple of different products the same day and posted the message with the other product's upgrade fee. As to the "ASAP" registration card shipment, it went out this morning by US Postal Express mail. They said it should take about 2 days. Is their any chance of getting version 2 rushed out to me once you receive the registration? I'll be going on vacation around it's ETA for registered owners. I'll be gone until September. The anticipation will kill me! :) BTW, I'm perfectly willing to pay the additional fees associated with any type of Express Mail service. Why would a _potential_ (don't want to start any rumors) DA version of Hyperlink be that large? In this case I'm talking about a very stripped down version of Hyperlink. Only the database module would be available. Graphics, sound, etc would all be dropped. Basically I'm asking for something roughly equivalent to being able to run the ADDRESS.HAP or MESSAGE.HAP files (or the equivalent). The only new "feature" would be an index. Take a look at NOTES.ARC (notes3.arc I think) in the library for what I mean. (Unfortunately I can not get ahold of the company to see if they still offer that product.) Lyre ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 18 Wed Jul 29, 1992 K.OLSON10 [Ken] at 07:03 EDT Hi! I have version #1.5 Hyperlink. How soon can I expect shipment of the latest 2.0 version? As I recall I sent in my registration. Also on the question I asked sometime ago about importing a dBMan data base. I tried what you recomemded but still using the builder and naming the database the same as the dBMan database it will not recognise the dBMan even tho I use the "SET DB3 when constructing the database. Any further suggestions. Thanks KenO. :) ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 19 Thu Jul 30, 1992 D.THOMPSON66 [David @ JMG] at 11:43 EDT Lyre... Got your registration card yesterday, so the upgrade will be going out ASAP. Unfortunately, that means tomorrow. The printers were supposed to deliver the new manuals on Tuesday so we could begin shipping yesterday, but due to a mistake on their part, the manuals won't be delivered till late today. It's always something... HyperLINK as a Desk Accessory : Well, I'm going to have to leave the technical reasoning to George for next time he logs on. Essentially it sounds like you want to compile a HAP, which isn't really possible. George explained the reasoning behind this to me a while ago. Of course I've forgotten by now :-) So hopefully he'll log on over the weekend and explain it to you. -djt ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 20 Thu Jul 30, 1992 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 13:03 EDT No...I'd like a desk accessory which is a run-only module, containing NONE of the stuff necessary to build HAPs, but all of the stuff needed to run them. You'd call up the DA from the Desk menu within applications or on the desktop, identify a HAP to load, and go... This is a feature which would make any HAP available while within, say, a word processor writing a report, or online looking up your buddy's GEnie address. I run into this problem using other databases. I keep duplicate datafiles for TrackerST and CardFile for just this reason: I really like some of the more extensive features of TrackerST, but the immediate accessibility of my database through CardFile's desk accessory version can't be beat for convenience. A DA version of HyperLINK would give me that same kind of ready info on datafiles that are not limited to a list of addresses. ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 21 Thu Jul 30, 1992 LYRE at 13:23 EDT David, re: Hyperlink as an Accessory That's not quite what I meant. I'm looking for a Run Only Accessory version of Hyperlink. Basically think of it as a combination of the Show function from the Desktop with Hypertext ability. I in no way want to be able to create or edit a HAP. I might want to edit the data (that is, add a record, update a record, etc) but that would be it. Trying to create a HAP while running another program would be *way* to cumbersome. Although, admittedly, their are times that it would be handy. (Like creating the equivalent of an "on-line help" feature for other programs.) However, with the ability to have a Hypertext Accessory, I would be satisfied. Hmmmm, looking over some of my comments, maybe I should add that I want text ONLY. No sound, no graphics, no builder, nothing. I just want the ability to look up text from within an accessory that would allow me to organize the text into logical groupings (as indicated / shown in my first message concerning a Hyperlink DA). Icons on the "form" might be nice, but I can do without them. Again, what I'm looking for would simply allow me to run an already existing HAP - for instance MESSAGE.HAP Anyway, I hope this clarifies things a bit more. Lyre ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 22 Thu Jul 30, 1992 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 15:36 EDT Well, Lyre's comments notwithstanding, I want the proposed DA to support _all_ features of the HAP, not just text. ;-) ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 23 Tue Aug 04, 1992 JMGSOFT [George @ JMG] at 00:47 EDT Howdy all! Just thought I'd drop by a note to say that upgrades are proceeding out at (finally!) a faster pace now, and the majority of people should start to see them in a few days. Of course, David's now on vacation, so he leaves all the dirty work to me. While I'm here, I did want to address a recent topic: After reading the recent Desk Accessory comments, I've given it some more thought and may work on some prototypes to see how it can be implemented. One fundamental problem is, however, the extensibility of HyperLINK itself. True, you haven't seen much in the way of extensions or loadable modules yet, (_yet_), HyperLINK does feature a very strong tie-in feature. This should finally be exploited a little bit with the planned release of our "developers kit" for C programmers, due out at the Glendale show. This is fine for a program version, but becomes much more difficult to handle in a desk accessory. The solution, though, is to limit the accessory to a set of "standard" modules, namely the DATABASE, EDITOR, and GRAPHICS features. This covers all the "basic" HAPs you can make with the current HyperLINK, and probably 95% of what anyone will ever want to do. It would probably be big, ie about 200K... something you have to consider before you toss an accessory on to your system. Also, the fact that files must be opened on the fly creates problems especially with earlier versions of TOS; desk accessories are not supposed to open files and keep them open. Gotta think about that one... -- George. ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 24 Tue Aug 04, 1992 SFRT-ASST [Kene @ SFRT] at 01:16 EDT If you make it work with MultiDesk Deluxe size is not an immediate problem. ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 25 Tue Aug 04, 1992 LYRE at 20:11 EDT George, Thank you for considering it. Aladdin's gotten to the point now where it will add more names to my address book - it just won't let me *use them!* If I can remove the addresses to an Accessory (especially one that would allow me to organize everything into coherent groups) it would be a godsend. Probably my only other "desire" would be the ability to take an email address and "dump" the text chosen into a word processor / text editor. But that might be pushing things so I'm willing to do without it. :) Lyre ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 26 Wed Aug 12, 1992 C.HARVEY at 20:00 EDT If you want to search for something (text) in a database from a DA, you could always just open EdHak and load/search the database file for the text of interest (e.g., a person's name)... the other info you want (e.g. the address) will be right by the name. Granted, this won't be a nice pretty display (you'd have to toggle into hack mode since the data isn't stored with carriage returns), but it is legible (I just tried it while typing this message). This even allows editing the text if you want, but obviously not creating new records. (Be sure to use overwrite mode for any editing! so as not to change the length of anything). Craig @Clear Thinking ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 27 Wed Aug 12, 1992 C.HARVEY at 20:03 EDT Rather than continuing to add mailing list handling routines to my personal version of EdHak, I am looking forward to being able to import my current ascii database into a Hyperlink database. What info is available on writing custom import modules? (or modifying the existing data for import using some existing module?) Craig @Clear Thinking ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 29 Wed Aug 12, 1992 LYRE at 23:50 EDT Craig, The only problem right now with your suggestion is that I don't want yet another text editor. Granted, I am getting one with HyperLINK - but it is already included and a mandatory part of the program. It's not something that I have to buy seperately. Besides, I want a "point and click" interface. Something that I can work with at writing some of my letters on-line before GEnie forces my off-line. While I "find" feature would be (ultimately) quicker in the long run, it is based on the assumption that I know what I want. Which is *not* always true. :) Lyre ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 30 Thu Aug 13, 1992 J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ] at 06:49 EDT >...I don't want yet another text editor. ??? Oh yea, EdHak does do that. >> Joe Meehan << ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 31 Sat Aug 15, 1992 JMGSOFT [George @ JMG] at 00:30 EDT Ahh... the ol' "import modules" question. I started work on these already once or twice, but it is really a can of worms in a way. It is HyperLINK's visual interface that makes part of this difficult; unlike a dBASE database, in HyperLINK people don't usually see how their fields are laid out and what types of fields they have (and in what order). The internal dBASE structure may in fact be different than what the visual structure is. I still have a few ideas, however, and I may be able to kludge something together for Glendale. And, speaking of Glendale... ! (how's THAT for a smooth transition?) Yesirreee, we are booked and will certainly be there! Details of what we'll be showing once David gets back, but we will be attending both Glendale and Waace this fall. So, look for us! And one last bit of news... as of this week, 99% of all upgrades to Version 2 have been sent out. Give it a few days if you haven't seen yours yet. Also, you may want to check two facts: 1) did you send in your registration card? and 2) if you received an "Upgrade Disk" to version 1.6, did you send it back to us (as the letter with the disk requested)? If you were sent and upgrade disk and did not send it back, you will not automatically be sent the V2 upgrade for free. More Version 2 notes as soon as the majority have received their upgrades.... -- George. ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 34 Sun Aug 16, 1992 LYRE at 17:55 EDT Swampy, Don't feel bad. While I do have version 2 already (got it Thursday), I also requested (and paid for) express mail. The program is not much different - visually - then older versions. Their are a number of comments / corrections / additions I would like to see, however since I'm still trying everything out yet, I'm holding off. (Pertaining to the manual mostly, some minor bug fixes in the program - of the "it's annoying" type.) The *really* depressing thing is that I have had to hold-off my genealogical research because I had no way of keeping the data organized. Now, with version 2, I'm starting to make a genealogical database (well, base*s*). So, now that I'm "ready to roll", I'm going on vacation - won't be back till Sept! Can you say "Frustration?" Once I get back though, I will start working on this again. With 30-40 databases to make for the entire project, it's a lengthy process. Lyre ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 36 Sun Aug 16, 1992 G.NELSON16 [xoxo] at 23:00 EDT George, Gerald here, been patiently waiting, I know I mailed my disk (1.6) back to you, and generally the postal service comes through but if it is no trouble can you see if it made it? ( i guess it was about 3 mos ago that I sent it) Also has the graphics module been upgraded to show larger images than 64k, since I wrote a hap to catalouge IMG files and some of my scans exceed the limit. thanx Gerald ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 38 Mon Aug 17, 1992 JMGSOFT [George @ JMG] at 00:23 EDT Hi... Lyre, I'm sorry about the express mail thing; I'll make sure to make it up to you soon (just remind me that I owe you one). To others, by tomorrow I should have a list at hand where I can tell definitely whether a certain upgrade has been sent or not (and if not, then why). Right now, however, since I log on at home, I don't have the info at hand. Also, when you get Version 2, if you have any suggestions or bug reports, please do tell! The shipping version (2.04) should be quite stable, but there's always one more bug to find :-) Also, David is now back, so feel free to start bugging him! -- George. ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 39 Tue Aug 18, 1992 LYRE at 01:05 EDT George and/or David, One thing that I did notice was that CodeKeys (v1.3 I think) and HyperLINK aren't 100% compatible. I was setting up a kind of spreadsheet / database HAP; the fields being named numerical (Power1, Power2, etc). I use ALT+LSHIFT+P and *several* times the builder window scrambled. It basically showed the equivalent of "snow", or what some art file viewers show when they accept one format version and you're using a different one (i.e., shows GIF v1 but you try loading a GIF v2 [names made up as example]). This macro was basically to enter a field size of 2, tab twice and enter the word "power" in the field name. Then it was to stop so I could enter the #. It worked a couple times and didn't a couple of times. After 3 or 4 cold boots I removed CodeKeys. BTW, this even happened after I did a "Clear All" and pressed the key combo (if memory serves me). I've got about two pages of comments, corrections, improvements, wish list, etc. However, with vacation pending (T-14 hrs to departure!), I will refrain from further comments at the moment. (Which will also save me potential embarrassment in case "it's in there" and I don't see it!) Expect it around September. I can say this much, I know I would like to see the index greatly improved and cross-indexed (Their is no entry at all for the word "icon"). I would also like to see a new section: "Section 1.5 Using a HyperLINK Application"; to my mind, the manual is far to specific to construction and offers little help for using HAPs. Lyre PS: BTW, I got a message from the postal service - it seems they have a package from Canada for me... Getting it tommorrow, but no way I can confirm it's from you except by voice. ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 40 Wed Aug 19, 1992 G.NELSON16 [xoxo] at 22:52 EDT George or Dave, Rcvd my upgrade today, but the packaging was moderately trashed (the disk was nearly falling out of a tear in the envelope) First I want to say after looking over 2.04 it is definately improved, but the burning question is, Did you send 2 disks? were are the other modules mentioned at the front of the manual? Did I lose a disk? Are these yet to be finished? I am pleased with the expansion of the graphics hap allowing any size image to be viewed. Will there ever be a way to delete a hap when it is loaded if you want, rather than reconfiguring your hal? Now I can see what I can do with numbers. gerald ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 41 Thu Aug 20, 1992 P.MORALES1 [Pat] at 21:22 EDT I just received my update in the mail today. So before I even take the time to look at it let me take the time to say "thank-you" for continuing to improve this product. I look forward to any and all of your future efforts. And to those of you still "patiently" waiting, relax, they're coming. Thanks, again - Pat FYI, I'm in California. ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 42 Thu Aug 20, 1992 D.THOMPSON66 [David @ JMG] at 22:08 EDT I'm going have to let George answer most of your questions about module availability etc, but yes there was only one disk with the upgrade. So you got it all... -djt ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 44 Sat Aug 22, 1992 JMGSOFT [George @ JMG] at 00:00 EDT I've received one or two comments now about the envelopes we used in the upgrades getting destroyed in the mail - geez, what do these postal people do to these things?!? Anyways, only one disk in the package, so you got 'em all. As far as additional modules, they are in progress and a set of them should be released for Glendale, but as of yet they were not available to be included in the upgrade mailing. Look for more info on these in the coming weeks. RE: Deleting (ie "unloading") a HAP: I've been working a bit on it, but freeing up the memory isn't all that easy due to the way they load. Maybe next upgrade... Finally, I had a registered user printout here yesterday, but I accidentally took it back in to work and left it there. I'll try to bring it back so I can answer queries tomorrow. -- George. ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 46 Sat Aug 22, 1992 JMGSOFT [George @ JMG] at 02:46 EDT A small bug note... I have just verified a bug report on the latest versions of HyperLINK... any databases creating using fields that have a field name of 10 characters (the maximum field size) will not always work properly. The solution to this is use field names of 9 characters or less (ie a field named "GRANDTOTL" is OK, but "GRANDTOTAL" may cause problems). If you're using a HAP to access an existing dBASE or dbMAN database that has 10-character filenames, then that will work OK -- in such a case it will not be a problem to use the maximum length filenames. It is only when you create a new database that the problem comes up. A rather arcane bug, really... there is no chance of loosing data or bombing the program, the only result is that HAPs with long field names will not work properly (saving and retreiving data). Now, back to our regular programming... ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 49 Sun Aug 23, 1992 G.NELSON16 [xoxo] at 15:04 EDT JMG, Thanks for clarifying the one disk in the mailer. Now for comments and questions. 1. I tried to use formulas to do simple addition and multiplication on a trial hap invoice and could not get the prg to recognize my expressions Whhat have I done wrong? I tried spacing and not spacing between fields and operators. I got the prg to crash, by (and I'm trying to remember the sequence of events) by leaving the bldr hap open and quiting the prg. (i think thats what happened but will try and report more specifically.) The manual is a definate improvement, but maybe a better explanation on expressions would help. Also while I'm at it a suggestion to allow Data Fields to be formatted for specific purposes, such as formatting commands in spreadsheets. Thanks for all your hard work ( i guess we will never be satisfied, huh :-)) Gerald ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 50 Sun Aug 23, 1992 K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van] at 16:08 EDT I haven't gotten mine yet. I think I have two disks, and one is v. 1.6, as I recall. Is that the one you said should be returned? You mentioned some kind of a disk had to be returned by some of us. Ken Van Dellen d8^) ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 51 Sun Aug 23, 1992 M.OSTRANDER1 [Mike O] at 20:05 EDT I received my upgrade on Friday and the envelope was in sad shape: ripped about 4/5 of the way across the top and (apparently) slit open clear across the bottom. The only things holding it together were two yellow labels (like USPS address labels) across the center of the top and bottom of the envelope. I'm surprised the disk stayed in the package, since there was room for the disk to slide out between the yellow label and either end. Oh, well ... it made it. Thanks for the upgrade and new manual. Much improved! After loading the new version of HyperLink on my hard disk, I discovered that it bombed (3 bombs) while it was loading, each time I tried to execute it. Wouldn't run from floppy, either, with my normal system configuration. Naturally, I started playing with AUTO folder programs. It appears that the G+Plus which I normally run in my AUTO folder irritates HyperLink (I didn't have any conflict when I was running HyperLink 1.6). True, I haven't experimented _exhaustively_, but with several different mixtures of AUTO programs I have consistently encountered 3 bombs while loading HyperLink if G+Plus is one of my AUTO programs and _no_ problem loading and running HyperLink if G+Plus (only) is removed from whatever AUTO group I try. I normally boot with G+Plus in my AUTO folder because I need it for several of my other favorite applications. Has anyone else experienced a problem (3 bombs) while loading the new HyperLink? I'd rather this be something other than a HyperLink/G+Plus conflict, but that's what it _looks_ like, so far, on my system. - Mike ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 53 Sun Aug 23, 1992 JMGSOFT [George @ JMG] at 21:49 EDT Well, I guess the first thing David and I have to make note of is to use better envelopes next time! Oh well, so far all the disks have made it, that's a good sign... Now, to answer some questions... - If you have a Version 2 (such as 2.01 from the ACE show in Toronto), then you will not be receiving any update from this mailing. While there have been some changes and bug removals to the current version (2.04), the changes are minor. - Using formulas etc: One thing to remember is that when using equations, you need to have numeric operators; make sure your source fields are NUM fields. Also, make sure you're using the same field name, spelled correctly. If you're still having some problems, post a message with some more details. - Those who have received an upgrade disk in the past (ie those who purchased the program before Version 1.6) must return it to receive the free upgrade to V2. (To Ken Van Dellen: since you originally received V1.6, you never got sent an update disk; your Version 2 upgrade was processed August 17th, and should be on the way). - HyperLINK versus G+Plus.... Hmmmm, I can't image how I developed a problem with G+Plus when 1.6 didn't have one, but I'll try to check into that soon. (First, gotta find my G+Plus disk... somewhere in this mess...) Of course, I'm sure the problem would have to be with G+Plus... (grin) (just kidding!) Glad to see HyperLINK 2 being received by people finally! -- George. ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 54 Mon Aug 24, 1992 JMGSOFT [George @ JMG] at 00:48 EDT OK, folks, this is "audience participation" time!! I've dusted off my HyperLINK Module work to (hopefully!) have a number of new HyperLINK modules available for Glendale. Well, I need some input into some of the standards I should adopt... First, with regard to the Digitized Sound module: What digitized sound format should I support? Originally I had planned ST Replay format support, but lately MOD sound files seem more common. There's also a format called SEGM from Europe that supposed to be better than MOD files, though I'm not sure why. As well, any sound file format converters out there? Also, anybody have some source for source (ie C programming source code for playing MOD files, etc.)? Second, in the Graphic formats sweepstakes... I'd like to standardize the colour format for TT/etc graphics support, and the nominees in my opinion are TIFF, GIF, or PNT (prism paint). Any suggestions? A big thanks to all suggestions and comments... -- George. ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 56 Mon Aug 24, 1992 M.WARNER8 at 23:11 EDT George, with regards to sound modules are mods music only?? It should be a format that can play both music and other sound bites. As for graphic GIF would give a huge selection from all formats but how many garphic ST/TT programs create GIF files? Back on sound, ST Replay would probably be the most popular format to go with for digitized sounds but the music from the MODS I have heard are very impresive. What to do, What to do.... Could you also check you list when you have time to see when my upgrade was sent. Thanks. Mark Warner ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 57 Mon Aug 24, 1992 G.NELSON16 [xoxo] at 23:17 EDT Mike, I use G+Plus and suffer no ill consequences from it while running Hyperlink 2.0, it is possible that your disk was corrupted in the mail, or try the old method of removing everthing from your auto folder and adding it back in. Also could it be that your taxing the computers memory? As I said I have no conflict with G+Plus and Hyperlink 2.0. George, You should mention in the manua that the expressions do not happen as soon as you enter the data, but after the data has been saved. ( I was twiddling around and discovered this little aspect) I think a mod player sampler module would be a good start, I would also like to see maybe Sound Designer file compatibility ( the pro level sample file and editing software) How about a module that allows you to initiate through linking another prg and extract data from it? I don't use color so I can't comment to much on the graphic file support. thanx Gerald ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 58 Tue Aug 25, 1992 E.KRIMEN [Ed Krimen] at 02:08 EDT George, The difference between MOD files and SEGM files are that the SEGM files are compiled and run off the DMA sound without any CPU speed loss (or noticable loss). SEGM files are usually MUCH, MUCH larger though -- in the megabyte range sometimes. SEGM files are compiled using a program called NT_COMP, which was written by Klaus Pedersen I think, the same author of Jukebox. It should be in the libraries here. ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 59 Wed Aug 26, 1992 VORTEXT [Daniel] at 02:42 EDT I arrived back from GenCon and on my desk was the update. Thanks fellas. I look forward to reading the new manual. The old one was very confusing to me and I havn't used the program although I've had for some time. I have several applications I plan on adapting it for and hope the new manual will get me started. Thanks again. BTW - should I just ship the disk back now or wait for some notice in the future? Daniel ------------ Category 6, Topic 32 Message 63 Wed Aug 26, 1992 JMGSOFT [George @ JMG] at 23:45 EDT Hi! Mark Warner.... your upgrade was processed August 17th as well. Look for it soon, hopefully in one piece! And thanks for your format suggestions... Gerald Nelson.... Thanks for the G+Plus mention, I didn't think it would be any problem so obvious as a direct incompatibility. I guess it must be something trickier. Also, about the expressions... yeah, unfortunately expressions are based on the "saved" data record, to you must for save the record to have the expression evaluated or updated. Being a late addition, that didn't get properly covered in the docs. And finally, look for a module in September for running external programs. Ed Krimen.... thanks for the MOD/SEGM info. Now, anyone have a source for some source code, or the name of someone I can try to bribe? Daniel (Vortext).... Regarding the upgrade disk, at this point you should probably hold on to it. The next upgrade will be a (small!) fee upgrade, and it will be announced on Genie and by newsletter when it happens. Ken Van Dellen.... regarding the old manual and stuff, it